Physician assistant misconceptions

There are plenty of misconceptions about physician assistants.

The newness of their field naturally leads to a number of misconceptions about physician assistants. If you’ve never met a PA or been treated by one, you’re left to guess what it is that PA’s do, and sometimes these guesses (though understandable), are just plain wrong. Hoping to dispel some of these, I’ve made up a list of the more commonly held misconceptions about physician assistants. Hopefully it will be helpful both for those who are starting to research the field and for those who already know a few things about it. If you have others, please let me know.

Misconceptions About Physician Assistants

  1. “Physician Assistants are assistants to doctors.” With the poorly chosen name that our field has lived with for nearly 50 years, this one is easy to understand. It turns out though, that PA’s are only truly assistants to doctors in the area of surgery, by being the lead assistants in surgery, even before other surgeons. It’s important to note, however, that surgical PA’s do plenty of work on their own, including rounding on patients before and after surgery, doing bedside surgical procedures in the hospital such as inserting chest tubes and central lines, and seeing patients in the office. As for non-surgical PA’s, the vast majority work nearly independently, and consult with their supervising doctor when they feel they need to.
  2. “Physician Assistants don’t prescribe.” False. State regulations vary, but for the most part, PA’s prescribe medications as any doctor does. In some states the term is “furnish,” or “dispense” (when medications are given directly to the patient by the provider, as with samples), but these are minor distinctions. You should know, however that when a PA writes a prescription, he/she does so as an agent of the supervising physician, and in most states the physician’s name must appear on the prescription form too.
  3. “Physician Assistants don’t prescribe narcotics.” Taking #2 a step further, PA’s can prescribe controlled (scheduled) medications, such as opiates like Percocet, morphine, and Fentanyl. In most states the PA must obtain a separate DEA registration to do so. Some choose to practice without it, which means that they can’t prescribe these types of drugs, but the vast majority of PA’s, for the sake of convenience, do choose to get their own DEA registration number.
  4. Physician Assistants work under the doctor’s license. Actually, PA’s are certified nationally (by passing a national exam, the PANCE), and licensed by the state in which they practice. What’s the difference? A license is a credential that allows one to practice (effectively) permanently, so long as one pays the professional fees and does regular continuing education. PA certification is a more temporary credential that must be renewed by retesting. Physician assistant certifications must now be renewed every 10 years. This means that every ten years, a PA must pass a recertification exam (the Physician Assistant National Recertifying Examination, or PANRE) that proves he/she is still proficient. There are also certification exams for different PA specialties. This is all in addition to paying annual professional fees and performing continuing medical education (CME’s). In California, for example, PA’s must do 100 hours of CME’s every two years. Though it’s a hassle to keep having to prove you know your work, the recertification process is a good thing. It lends credibility to the field as a whole – PA’s must keep their knowledge up, or they can’t practice.
  5. Physician assistants don’t specialize. Cue the buzzer – false again. PAs specialize in pretty much every area of medicine. About 36% of PA’s work in primary care, with the other 64% working in surgical, ER, and subspecialty areas, such as dermatology or rheumatology.
  6. “Physician assistants don’t order or interpret labs or imaging studies.” In truth, PA’s order and interpret labs and imaging studies (x-ray/CT/MRI etc.) just as any physician does.
  7. Physician assistants provide inferior care compared to physicians. This is very hard to measure experimentally, but the research does show that PAs aren’t sued for malpractice any more often than physicians, and the judgments from lawsuits against PAs aren’t any larger than those against physicians. In terms of patient outcomes, the research shows us consistently that PA’s, NP’s, and MD’s are all about equal.
  8. Physician assistant isn’t a satisfying job. Actually, the vast majority of PA’s say that they are very satisfied in most areas of their work, such as their pay, feeling that they matter, and liking what they do. The one area where they consistently show somewhat lower satisfaction is their workload, much like physicians. The satisfaction scores are higher for PA’s in the area of workload than for doctors, however.
  9. Physician‘s Assistant. It’s physician assistant - no apostrophe-s!
  10. Physician Assistants don’t get sued for malpractice. In any malpractice lawsuit, the plaintiff usually sues everyone who was involved with the patient’s allegedly improper care. This is no less true for physician assistants. On rare occasions, physicians can prove that they provided adequate supervision, despite the PA’s negligence, and therefore escape the malpractice judgment. But most often, is a PA is named in a lawsuit, the PA and the MD either win or lose the lawsuit together.
  11. Physician assistants all wish they could be doctors. Sorry, but it just aint so. Of course, there are some who would prefer to become physicians. But the vast majority chose to be PA’s because that’s what they preferred - because it can offer more life balance, provide more time with patients, is in keeping with debt-free living, or a hundred other reasons. Don’t believe me? Go talk to a few PA’s, and you will.

There are plenty more misconceptions about physician assistants. Can you think of one we’ve missed? Leave a comment to let us know!

 

  • Aaron August 23, 2011, 12:43 am

    Hey Paul,
    Regarding #4 above, I’m confused. Don’t individual states issue “licenses”? Because a PA does not HAVE TO do the PANRE every 6 years and stay “certified”, but then, from what I understand, they are not able to switch between states, and they are a PA, not a PA-C. Anymore insight into this?

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  • Dave Mittman, PA August 23, 2011, 9:46 am

    One small correction. PAs do get licensed, just like all other professions. I have a license on my wall for many years. Licensing is by the state. Certification is by the NCCPA and or/ other professional boards usually connected to organizations. A state could opt to require certification to practice as all states do the initial NCCPA exam. Many states to not mandate re-certification, although employers do.
    Dave

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    • Paul August 23, 2011, 11:38 am

      Yes, Aaron and Dave, you are absolutely correct. I’ve made the change - thanks for catching that!

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  • Laurelin August 23, 2011, 12:37 pm

    The one I hate the most is that most or many PAs would have preferred to go to medical school if they had had the chance. Even my cardiologist dad, who is extremely supportive of me, is still a little baffled by my choice.

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  • Megan August 29, 2011, 5:02 pm

    I agree Laurelin!! PAs do not want to be physicians!! That’s why they’re PAs <3

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  • Reagin October 1, 2011, 6:58 am

    As a respiratory therapist in a teaching hospital, I’ve met several residents who’ve said if they could do it all again, they’d go to PA school!

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  • Andi May 3, 2012, 8:18 pm

    This was extremely helpful. I love this entire website. It’s so difficult to find credible information about the PA profession because of the many misconceptions and misunderstandings about the profession. Thanks for posting this!

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  • Levi T. McMahan September 2, 2012, 8:16 pm

    I have two more years of pre-requisite coursework before I can apply to P.A. school, but I must say that I am sold on being a P.A. I have interviewed several P.A.’s and Physicians, and the most job satisfaction I’ve heard is from P.A.’s. I have also spoken with several medical school students, and almost all of them have warned me away from medical school, saying if they could do it again, they would’ve gone P.A.

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    • Paul September 3, 2012, 9:56 am

      It depends on your personality, I think. But the % of people who fit the personality of becoming MDs and being willing to sacrifice as much as they do to get through is much smaller than the rest. I love my work, am respected, make a difference in people’s lives, and I earn a very good living. What more could I want?

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  • Natasha February 7, 2013, 10:53 am

    Hi all,
    Thanks for this post, I hope many people read this and understand who PAs really are. I an currently in my final year of PA school on my 7th rotation. Recently, I’ve encountered really bitter PAs who have discouraged me and advised me to even try and go to medical school. I’ve truly fallen in love with this field and very sad to see how some of these PAs are miserable. I just wanted to know does any one else out there feel they should have went to med school? I’m fairly young, only 22 years old and everyone is telling me why not med school…I’m very torn at this point. How do you deal with the people that push you to med school and discourage you from the goals you’ve set for yourself? And how do you prove to these people that it’s not because you’re lazy or afraid of the workload med students/residents go through? But simply found PA to be a far better choice. How many of you are really happy with what you do? And What should I be looking for once I’m on the search for a job? Any advice??

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    • Paul February 7, 2013, 10:51 pm

      Okay, Natasha, get ready for a soap box performance from yours truly, because this question is really important to me…

      I think in some ways you are answering your own question. Who are you becoming a PA for? I know the answer is YOU. So I think you may need to reorient your brain: don’t try to convince others of anything - you’re doing this for YOU, not for them.

      I haven’t run into many bitter PAs, but you need to realize that there are those people in any field. The bitter PAs I have run across didn’t seem to be bitter because they were PAs. In most cases they were bitter because they had continued to work for a doctor/company/hospital that was not treating them well, and/or that they were over-worked or didn’t seem to apply themselves much to their work. You can also find this in any profession. When you feel this way IN ANY CAREER, YOU NEED TO MAKE SOME CHANGES, MAN! Get a new job. Learn something new. Try some new approaches to the problems you work with. Learn in more detail the things that you already know about. Help your patients understand what is going on EVEN BETTER (believe me, as much as you explain, they will never get it all - there’s just too much). Explore a new specialty. Examine from where you derive the most personal satisfaction in your job. Are you putting as much into it as you expect out of it?

      I AM A STRONG BELIEVER THAT MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE UNHAPPY WITH THEIR CAREERS (NOT THEIR JOBS) ARE UNHAPPY BECAUSE THEY DON’T PUT ENOUGH OF INTO IT, AS IN “YOU GET OUT OF IT WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.”

      James Allen said “As you think, so shall you be.” If you think you’re miserable and hopeless, then you’re right. If you think you’re a medical badass with a stimulating and challenging job that requires you to stretch yourself every day, then you’re right. Most unhappy people aren’t stretching themselves. Some of them cool their heels after graduation and somehow expect the job to entertain them like a little home movie watched from a recliner.

      I received an email from one of those bitter PAs you are describing early on in my blogging. He said essentially, “I’m 28, I’ve been a PA for 6 years. I’ve worked in different specialties and learned it all. And I’m unfulfilled.”

      Really? If you do it right, you could spend three lifetimes learning to be great at one specialty. As I read it, all I could think was, man, this guy is missing the point. He thinks the job should make his life happy. How much sense does that make? ZERO. The job doesn’t make you happy; you make you happy.

      To look at it another way, have you seen the other side? Have you been to a PA conference? I strongly recommend you splurge and attend an AAPA annual conference - they are a blast. You will run across more people who are motivated and LOVE their work than you have ever seen in your life. You will learn and play and dine with people who are totally enthusiastic about being PAs!

      Every now and then I have a patient who doesn’t know much about PAs (there seem to be remarkably few of those in my area) who will ask me “So when are you going to become a doctor?” I tell them flatly: “I’m not. I’m a PA, and I love it.”

      What goes through my head?
      -this person has no idea what I do, and that’s not his/her fault.
      -this person has no idea what it’s really like to be a doctor either, and it’s not his/her fault.
      -They have no idea how much time/energy/commitment it takes to be a PA (OR A DOCTOR, FOR THAT MATTER).
      -If I love what I’m doing (and I truly do), why would I care about what they think I should do? It’s just noise to me.

      It’s an interesting topic, and I’m guessing I need to write more on it. Thanks for the question.

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    • Anand September 6, 2013, 9:54 am

      You live your life for yourself. Never forget that. It’s very easy for someone to tell you their opinion. Opinions are like a-holes; everyone has one. Do what you are happy with and take what people tell you with a grain of salt. I leave my job every day realizing how happy and fortunate I am and how miserable others are around me. (They’re not miserable because of me by the way)

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      • Kristin December 21, 2014, 6:41 pm

        i have been a PA for 9 years and have never regretted the decision. I originally planned on going to med school but happened to walk by the PA school bulletin board at my undergrad and stopped to read, went in for a chat with the staff, and never turned back! I love it and can’t imagine anything else. I don’t think any of us would say we chose to be PA’s because it’s the “easy” route- the school is rigorous (I’ve had medical students state “you did 4 years of med school crammed in 2 years!”) and we are constantly learning. Many of us chose this because we want a little shorter schooling, maybe less debt, more time with family etc for similar benefits of medical school since we get to do many of the same things. But as a PA, I get to help people every day get better from whatever their issue is, help their families, counsel them, and I leave with a smile on my face!

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  • Natasha February 8, 2013, 6:46 pm

    Paul! Your words are absolutely amazing, so inspiring. Today after reading your reply, I went to my rotation smiling because I thought a lot about it and spoke to many people…and I regained my power, recollected my thoughts and my original feeling about why I chose to be come a PA and I felt great! Stronger than ever! It really is true you get back exactly what you put in. I went in determined not to let them discourage me anymore and scrubbed in on a few cases and didn’t let anyone intimidate me!

    Thank you so much!!

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    • Paul February 9, 2013, 12:37 am

      I’m so glad! Make your career, baby.

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  • Chrissie May 24, 2013, 11:01 am

    So glad I found this website. My youngest daughter is on her way to becoming a PA and I have been hearing from other people that she can’t write narc scripts. I was told she could do everything as a Dr could, just had to work under a supervising one. Thanks for confirming what I already knew.

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    • Paul May 25, 2013, 6:15 pm

      It does depend to a certain extent on the state where she will practice and the practice in which she works. But yes, in general, PAs can write for narcs. In CA, there is a special one-day class that is required of PAs over and above their certificate in order to prescribe scheduled (controlled or “narcotic”) medications.

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  • Hannah January 7, 2014, 2:54 pm

    I am so glad I came across this site! I have dreamed of becoming a Pediatrician or OBGYN for as long as I can remember, but now that I am 22, and about to graduate with my Bachelor’s Degree in Biology, I have seriously considered going to PA school rather than Med school. I feared that I would ultimately regret my choice, but after reading a few of the posts on this site and the comments that follow, I am now confident that I would love to pursue a PA degree. Less time, less debt, and just as much responsibility as a MD? How could I go wrong? Thank you, Paul, for your insight!

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    • Paul January 8, 2014, 10:34 pm

      Thanks for your kind words, Hannah. Neither career is for everybody, but I do think that too many people assume that the “traditional” path of MD is for them, when a day spent with medical students will help you to see that it clearly is not. The same could be said about PA, of course. The point is that you’re ACTUALLY trying to determine which is best for you, and not assuming. Bravo!

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  • Caranetta Wilson August 25, 2014, 6:15 am

    Thanks for this website. I am a Physical Therapy Asst, who has a Bachelors in Sociology. It’s been 21 years since I’ve been a PTA so I have to take my science courses all over again which is fine. I am so looking forward to finishing my pre reqs so that I can apply and start my new journey as a PA. I had always wanted to be a surgeon since I was 4 years old but, circumstances didn’t allow that to happen. Recently my husband had encouraged me to go for it and become that doctor that I’d always wanted to be but, after careful thought I felt that PA was the way to go for me. I’m excited about the new direction that my life is about to take. I have a few college friends who are PA’s and they’ve been helpful in helping me make this transition. Glad that I found this site. One question that I have for you is this. Is it a common thing to see PA’s advance in their careers? If so, to what degree?

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    • Paul August 29, 2014, 5:38 pm

      I’m so excited for you! You’re going to love this field!

      There are all kinds of ways that PAs progress. They learn to know and do more. They progress through jobs with higher levels of responsibility. They can enter leadership roles within medicine, such as running or owning a clinic, doing research, and getting better and better with patients. When I did my cardiothoracic surgery rotation, I met several PAs who told the residents what they should do. They had such skill and confidence that they were respected and valued members of the care team that included surgeons.

      I should interject here, that now at age 45, I see that everyone (myself included, sometimes) has a tendency to continuously reach and lean on their ambition. Spending time in a field isn’t just about rising up some ladder. It is about getting better at what you do and loving it more as you do.

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      • Caranetta Wilson September 18, 2014, 8:01 am

        I totally agree with you that being in a field that you love is far more rewarding than rising up the ladder of success. I guess that I was thinking more on the lines of being able to do as you’ve said, run my own office one day or even go on mission trips to places that need medical assistance. But, now I see that I cam do just that..thanks

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  • Sasha September 17, 2014, 8:09 am

    Hello,
    I am glad I found this website. I am currently an Occupational Therapist working with a variety of different diagnoses but When I first began my career I instantly fell in love with orthopedic. But I am limited as an OT to what I can do with ortho patients. I love working with ortho patients. However I have always wanted to be the one to be in the OR to do the surgery. After careful consideration, I said I was going to go to med school however the amount of loans I already have I cannot imagine doubling that amount. Which is what led me to consider PA school; less time in school and less money. I’m not sure if this is the right path for me to take because of course of financial reasons. But I know I would be. Wry happy being a PA. I have worked with several PAs and I love what they do. I spoke to family and friends and they said why don’t I just go to medical school instead of going to PA school. But I feel like PA is better suited for me. How soon after PA school can you start being in the Or working alongside doctors performing surgery?

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    • Paul September 17, 2014, 8:30 pm

      If you get a surgical job right out of school, then right away. We had plenty of people in my class working in surgery right out of school. Sometimes you need another job first, but not usually.

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  • Caranetta Wilson September 18, 2014, 7:55 am

    Sasha,
    Thanks for asking thay question. I’m in PT and I’m planning on changing careers too to PA. I’ve always wanted to be a surgeon but, I became a mom whilr in undergrad school so that tabled that. I’m so happy that PA’s are assisting in surgeries and im so excited to be apart of that.
    Paul, you stated that having a job prior or in lue of workong with a surgeon might be necessary. Is it your advice to keep my therapy license current since I may still have to work in that field?

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    • Sasha September 18, 2014, 8:37 am

      Hi Carnetta,
      I’m so glad I’m not in this alone because most people are asking me why would I want to make such a drastic change which made me think maybe that I shouldn’t go for it.

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  • Caranetta Wilson September 18, 2014, 8:47 am

    Sasha,
    It’s been my experience that you have to do what makes you happy. Sometimes you have to keep your dreams and goals to yourself because some folks just won’t get the bigger picture. So, you keeping forging ahead with your plans, your goals and your dreams. Be real to the woman that you are now and are becoming..

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  • Dee Freeman October 20, 2014, 10:46 pm

    Thank you all for this post. I have many years in corporate America and I am tired of it. I started thinking about a total career change where I will have job security and love my work and earn good money in the process. I have a BS in mngt and HR which means I took zero science courses and have no hands on patient experience. I am excited to take my nine prerequisites starting in January.
    Everyine has been helpful — thank you for sharing your journey. I would like to hear from someone who had to leave a decent paying career to go to school fulltime and make a drastic change. I am a 36 year old wife and mother of four. My husband is supportive. I am excited and just want to make sure I finish. I want to specialize in either internal medicine or psy. Feed back please…

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    • Paul November 2, 2014, 2:58 pm

      Dee — have you visited Inside PA Training’s Forum? There you can talk with others who are interested in the PA profession and maybe get some of the feedback you are seeking. Try it out!

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  • Krystal October 21, 2014, 8:38 pm

    Can PA’s contribute to research or become involved in research projects? Similar to how physicians can conduct their own funded research.

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    • Paul November 2, 2014, 3:00 pm

      They can, but it is less common than for physicians. My workplace does clinical trials, but my part in it is minor. If you are heavily interested in research, then MD might be a better way to go.

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    • Kristin December 21, 2014, 6:47 pm

      Krystal- we sure can. I work at a medical school that is involved in a lot of research projects that I am also getting involved in, everything from skin substitutes (we work in plastics/burns) to new types of catheters to decrease UTI’s to… You name it!! As a PA I am not only involved in signing up patients for trial but collecting data and organizing as well as helping write papers.

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  • Marie December 21, 2014, 5:11 pm

    I’ve been a urology PA for almost 4 years now. I started in surgery right after I graduated and can’t imagine myself in a different profession or field. I have never regretted my decision to not go to medical school.

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  • Billie Cartwright December 21, 2014, 5:30 pm

    I like almost everything on this post except #11 has a slightly misleading statement. I’ve heard since graduation that “I get more time with patients” and I can tell you that is only true if I take it out of my lunch, the end of my day, or some other time that doesn’t exist. I also don’t do less paperwork than my physician colleagues. I work in an Internal Medicine practice and my schedule and workload really isn’t different than that of my colleagues.

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  • Heather December 21, 2014, 6:19 pm

    Good article and will be sharing with my pre-PA students. Did want to offer a few corrections though. 1. PAs are moved to a 10 year recertification cycle (like MDs), not 6 year. 2. CME requirement is actually 100 hours every 2 years in the state of California.
    Thanks for sharing info!

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    • Paul December 21, 2014, 8:07 pm

      Thanks for letting me know — these have been corrected.
      You are right on both counts. The first has been updated — it was 6 years at the time that this was written. I obviously spaced on the second one.

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  • Karen December 21, 2014, 7:08 pm

    Another myth: Physician Assistants are residents-in-training or still in limbo waiting to become MDs. Not so.

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  • Carol Brittsan, PA-C December 21, 2014, 7:30 pm

    Myth #12: That I tried to get into med school, and I couldn’t, so I became a PA instead. Truth: If I wanted to apply to med school, I would have.
    Myth #13: PAs are just like nurse practitioners. Truth: PAs and NPs perform very similar tasks, but the rules vary within each state regarding what a PA and and NP can and cannot do. The rules also vary with regard to credentialing.
    Myth #14: Patients won’t respect me like they would respect a doctor. Truth: Many of my patients prefer my care over my supervising physicians’ care because I spend more time with the patient and answer the questions in terms he or she can understand.

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  • Nihal December 21, 2014, 8:57 pm

    Hi to all,
    I am a physician assistant working in india. I practice in surgical side. I read in the web regarding the NCEPA exam. But i waa not able to apply for it as they state, only uk and us University are eligible to apply for the exam. Can any one help me out in sorting out this problem. If any national level exam i am eligible to attend, please let me know

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    • Paul December 22, 2014, 12:19 am

      If you can’t take the PANCE then you will need to start PA school in the US from the start. I’m sure this sounds horrible. It’s only two years, but it’s a lot of money. I would contact the NCCPA and AAPA to ask them about other options.

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  • Nihal December 22, 2014, 3:03 am

    Yes, i have gone through the web sites of the AAPA and NCCPA. I even tried to get a post graduation course, but due to the registration problem i was not able to do so. Even though I am still trying to get into post graduation. If you can recommend any?

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  • Richard December 23, 2014, 11:01 am

    when I was thinking about going back to school, every Doctor told me to go PA. They said given the choice again the would choose PA over med school.

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  • Benjamin December 29, 2014, 2:01 am

    Hey Paul Thanx again for this website! Is#4 saying that you don’t have to work under a doctor? If you have to work under a dr. And want to open your own office how much do you lose?

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  • Rachel December 29, 2014, 8:03 pm

    A quick - and maybe tangential - question about the debt aspect, Paul. I’m considering schools with quite varied tuition costs: $120K on the high end (a program I’m in love with, mostly because I’m married with two young children, and it’s the most life-balance friendly that I’ve encountered; it’s also a well-known and well-regarded school) and $66K on the low end (quite a bit less excited about this one; it’s not prestigious, but it would get the job of becoming a PA done). There are a few others in the middle, but, hypothetically, if I’m offered the choice between these two, do you have any insight to offer as to the cost/benefit analysis? It’s difficult to think about giving up on the dream school, but I also feel nervous about shouldering that amount of debt. (BTW, thanks for the generosity you always show in answering these sorts of life-situation questions; you site has been one of my most valuable resources as I’ve pursued career changing and becoming a PA!)

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    • Laura January 4, 2015, 11:42 am

      Rachel,
      I just finished PA school and interacted with PA students from at least 10 different schools during rotations (from no-name schools to top-ten). Every program will suck up your time about equally. The prestigious school you have your eye on will chew you up and spit you out just like the cheaper one. I’m not saying this to discourage you - I’m SO happy I went through it! But you may as well save your money, because in my humble opinion, $60K is a big deal. That’s probably your take-home pay for your first year of work. Regardless of the school you choose, you won’t be spending much time with your kids when school’s in session, so you may as well be able to afford a family vacation or something when you finish.
      Also, from a purely academic standpoint - accreditation is pretty strict for PA programs. The more prestigious school may be ever so slightly better academically, but it’s not going to make a big difference in the grand scheme of things.
      Best of luck.

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  • Amber January 1, 2015, 7:22 am

    Hi,
    I am a urology PA and love my job. I was doing research in Boston before PA school and was making a relatively good living in an expensive city, but with very little debt from my state school undergrad education. Traveling a ton and going out and to dinner with friends with rent equal to my current mortgage. Then I went to PA school and I am completely money savvy and chose the best(#11 at the time), but cheapest Master’s program in the country, but still came out with living and schooling costs for a 24-month program $78,000 in debt (Program actually cost less than living expenses). Now I was prepared for the debt, but having finished undergrad in 2003 during a different financial time what I didn’t know or predict was how high grad school loan interest rates are… up to over 9%!!! And those are not personal loans. Those are federal loan programs, so even with consolidation the interest rate is 7.25%. This is more than double my mortgage interest rate. So what I didn’t anticipate was setting me up for 30 year repayment that would give the government almost half a million dollars of my earnings over that time period if you do the calculation. So I paid over $1000/month for 24 months out of school before buying our first home, but then with a mortgage, my husband’s Grad loans, car payments, house renovations that was no longer possible, but I still pay $500/month, which is no still no small feat. After paying off renovations I will be upping my payment yet again, but every time I look that I still have 20 years left to be paying this much it is overwhelming. I have looked into consolidating with credit unions, etc, but either the rate is no different or they won’t even give a loan large enough and then you lose the security of government loans in case a huge life crisis occurs. So recently I have been looking into the income-based repayment and pay as you earn options, which coming out of school noone really counseled me on. And being money savvy I saw that you payed more interest over time and scrolled right by. My husband has been in this repayment plan since graduation and works with disabled individuals and actually can apply for Public Service Loan Forgiveness, which was a program that started in 2007 after paying your loan for 120 on time payments. And something we both just learned about, but were happy to have done some research to learn we will be more financially free in six years when he will be eligible for forgiveness. I only wish my school had given a session in different payment options and legislation that is out there. Because now I am not sure my current job will apply as it is certain tax form rules for your employer to qualify and this may have helped me choose to work for a nonprofit hospital or the VA right out of school. But no matter what in those low payment options you4 loans are forgiven in 20-25 years no matter what. I had no idea about any of this. Basically… I know I am on my soapbox, but many days recently when the cost of everything has risen so fast and our salaries have not followed suit that I wonder if I made the right financial decision. Anytime you are taking out loans above or near your AGI you need to be very careful. So I would say you will be a good PA no matter what program you choose, so it is super important to make a good financial decision, as well.

    And just take a look at this link, because Georgetown Law School basically has an inservice to teach their students who graduate with $150,000 in debt how to use these low pay options to their advantage. For example, had I chosen income based or contingent my payment would’ve been between 150-250/month for the past four years and could’ve used that extra 250-1000/month to out into my retirement, investments or savings and things might look very different right now. I wish I had known, because now unless I qualify for the 10 year forgiveness it won’t make sense to switch into these other payment options, because I have already over paid for so long….

    http://www.edcentral.org/beware-savvy-borrowers-using-income-based-repayment/

    I found a pay stub of my fathers right before their divorce in 1991 and have always kept it. My mom was a stay at home and my father at that time made $15,000 less a year than I do now and we had a car, a van, a boat and went on two one-two week long vacations per year with a family of four. Now we make nearly double what he made with our combined incomes, but we struggle to go on one week long vacation unless my half is paid for with a conference and I only get to half relax…

    I am very passionate about making Washington make changes in student loan interest and the cost of education in general. Make sure your local representatives know how you might feel about this as well. It is not ok for big banks to get loans at 1.5% and then have students and the future of America try to pick up the slack. End rant.

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  • RENEE RODRIGUEZ January 9, 2015, 3:49 pm

    Can a PA be referred as a doctor by his staff? And If the patients address him as doctor should he correct them and informed them that he is not a doctor but a Physician Assistant?

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    • Paul January 11, 2015, 3:15 pm

      PAs are not doctors, and the proper way to refer to them is by their name — in most cases, their first name. Some more formal PAs may prefer to be referred to as Mr./Ms. So-and-so.

      I get called “Dr. Paul” and “Dr. Kubin” all the time. The first time this happens, I always explain to them that I’m not a doctor and that they may call me Paul. After that, if they call me doctor, I just let it go. If I didn’t I’d be correcting people all day. A few refuse to call me anything other than doctor, telling me, “I know, I know — you’re a PA. But you’re Dr. Paul to me.”
      I’m certainly not going to get into a conflict over it!

      I will say that I much prefer to be called by my first name — I work hard to develop a close rapport with my patients and it feels much more true to our relationship than doctor.

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  • Teresa Torres. Psy.D January 13, 2015, 5:54 pm

    What about if you are a Psychologist? Can you be called “doctor”. With that in mind would it lesson the amount of training time.

    Regards,
    Teresa (Teresa Torres, Psy.D)

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    • Paul January 17, 2015, 1:57 pm

      If I’m understanding your question, you’re wondering if being a PhD in something (such as psychology) would reduce the amount of training to become a PA. If that’s the case, the answer is no. A doctor of philosophy is called Dr., but that doesn’t translate to medicine. Even for physicians from other countries, to be a PA in the US, they have to go through the entirety of a PA program. That is, your work won’t transfer.

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  • Sophia January 25, 2015, 2:31 pm

    Hi, I was preparing for a PA school interview. Can you please give me some tips on answering the PA vs MD question? What would you say if you were asked that question? Also, any other tips for preparing for the interview are welcome. Thank you in advance.

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    • Paul January 25, 2015, 6:44 pm

      By PA vs MD, I assume you mean “Why have you chosen to become a PA, instead of a physician.” If that’s correct, I would ask you just that. What appeals to you about the PA profession that you wouldn’t get from training/working as a physician. It’s not a trick question - just be honest.

      However, if the answer truthfully has to do with PA requiring less time/work and/or lower grades, you would do well to give other reasons. In my opinion, PA school is not as hard as medical school, but it’s definitely very hard. You also have less time for each topic.

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  • Angie February 24, 2015, 10:48 am

    Hello everyone,
    I am 18 years old and just about finished my first year of community college. I volunteer at a hospital, in a couple medical clubs, and very interested in the medical field! I’m looking for a career which can be flexible for me, not be in debt, and to still be able to have my personal life going. I know I don’t want to be a nurse of any kind because I simply feel I can go beyond that to pursue something greater like becoming a PA. One thing that drives me to become a PA is definitely the option to always improve and go beyond in your career. I guess my question happens to be is how can I make sure this is what I want to pursue throughout my time being. what are some ways I can possibly talk/interview PA’s and see what they think? Also, what kinds of difficulties along the way to becoming a PA, have you dealt with and made you think that this kind of pathway may not have been for you? thank you.

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    • Paul February 28, 2015, 8:22 pm

      I think you answered your question. It’s not an official requirement, but i think you should be sure to shadow a PA. We have articles on that.(click). You might start by asking your primary care doc if you can shadow him/her and if he/she knows a PA you can shadow.

      At first I worried that PA might be “too easy,” or “not enough” for me, but that’s a laugh these days. This job will give you more to learn than you can learn in three lifetimes. I worried about not having prestige, but I seem to get more than enough of that. I don’t know if it’s me, or the long white coat, or what, but people treat me like a doctor. They even call me doctor, though I tell them I’m a PA and they should call me Paul. Most are fine with that. I have a few who insist on calling me Dr. Paul. “I don’t care what you say,” they tell me, “you’re Dr. Paul to me.”

      Both of these depend on the setting, your clinic, and your supervising MD. But in general, this job is all I could ask for.

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  • Donna Heidelmark April 30, 2015, 9:07 am

    Apparently some PJA-C’s shouldn’t be allowed to prescribe narcotics. My elderly mother had chronic heart disease, and was not able to swallow pills. She had a growth on her hip that was misdiagnosed at the same office, which became hideously large and painful. I requested some form of pain medication in a patch, and she was given Fentanyl 5mg. After receiving her second dose, which was given every 3 days, she left walking and talking to her day care. At the end of that day, she had to be carried in a wheelchair, and never regained consciousness, and stopped breathing on the 5th day of treatment. She had never been on any pain med except OTC pain relief. According to the pharmacist, and the internet, she should never have been given the narcotic.

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    • Paul June 5, 2015, 11:00 pm

      Dear Donna,

      I’m so sorry to hear about your mother. There are providers of all kinds out there (PAs, MDs, DOs, DDSs, NPs, etc) who shouldn’t be working, let alone prescribing narcotics. 5 mcg Duragesic is a very very low dose. But you don’t give a long-acting narcotic to a patient who is what we call “opiate naive,” because if they don’t tolerate it, you can’t withdraw it quickly. Narcotics can work very well with the elderly, but they take an experienced clinician to prescribe properly, and even then sometimes are just the wrong type of medication.

      I hope you family can find some peace with it.

      Sincerely,

      Paul

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