Being A Physician Assistant, Part I

What is being a Physician Assistant really like? Now that I am licensed and working, I will begin to tell you as I have wanted to for some time now - from the inside…

Background

If you’re new to Inside PA Training, this paragraph should get you up to speed. I graduated from UC Davis School of Medicine’s PA program 6 months ago, passed my licensing exam, and found a job, where I’ve been working for the past 4 months. Four months isn’t long, but that’s why this is Part I - there is more to come. Since starting work, I’ve been immersed in my new profession. No more studying for exams, completing assignments, rotating through hospital departments. I’m working in a busy clinic as the only full time PA. But more about that later…

The clinic is in a busy suburb of Sacramento, California. Five days per we provide urgent care, primary care (general medicine), and industrial medicine (workman’s compensation) services to between 70 and 95 patients per day. We do a lot of workman’s comp - about 60% of our clients come to us for help with illnesses and injuries sustained in the workplace.

My Typical Day

My day begins at 8 AM. After arriving and throwing on my stethoscope and long white coat filled with little booklets of reference materials and a reflex hammer, I log into the computer system and review correspondence. This involves reading results of labs and imaging studies I have ordered on my patients, along with reports from various specialists. I print out any that are concerning so that I can review the patients’ charts and call them if necessary, and sign the rest off. I spend a few minutes going through chart errands - approving prescription refills, completing forms sent by insurance companies and pharmacies. I am blessed to work in a clinic that has a large support staff that keeps my paperwork to a minimum. It’s not uncommon for me to sign a form and ask a staffer to fill it out for me as I indicate. This leaves me free to do what I’m there to do: see patients.

Seeing patients is mostly fun, but I see more patients than most PAs - as many as 30 in a day, no problem. I move from exam room to exam room talking with patients, examining them, discussing my recommendations, ordering tests, and prescribing. The tricky part is knowing how to divide my time. Some patients need 3 minutes, and some need 30. My average is about 15 minutes per patient. My boss would like me to get down to 12 (he calls this “the magical 4.5 patients per hour”), but I figure for now, I need to go at a speed that works for me, so I don’t push myself too hard.

If a test or injection needs to be performed while the patient is in the office, I make a note on the paper version of their chart (we are stuck in the limbo between all paper and all electronic charts, which means both), and leave it for one of the medical assistants to perform while I move to work with someone else. When I’m done, I come back to find out how the test (a urinalysis, for example) turned out, and to decide what needs to happen. It’s possible to work with as many as four patients at once this way, but that’s hard, and try to stick two or sometimes three at a time. Some of my biggest blunders have been ordering a test on a patient A, then seeing patients B and C and forgetting all about patient A, who then sits around waiting. But I’m getting better at this.

I usually stop to eat lunch for about 15 minutes. Sometimes food is courtesy of a drug rep, sometimes my employer, and sometimes take out from a nearby restaurant or sandwich shop. When the pharma reps bring lunch, they wait to speak with you, which is a little awkward - they show me all kinds of graphs and visuals on their iPads while I try choke down a ciabatta sandwich and work in my questions.

I see patients until the end of the day, and once the last one is gone, I hang my white coat and stethoscope until morning. Some places allow casual attire, others scrubs. At my clinic it’s necktie M-Th. I work 40-45 hours per week and have Saturday, Sunday, and Monday off.

The Doctor & PA Relationship

How closely do I work with the doctor?

Not very closely at all, and where once I fantasized about that, now I don’t. I handle the vast majority of my patients without speaking to my boss, who is the owner of the clinic, an MD, and an Assistant Professor of medicine at a medical school.

Since graduating I’ve come to a (sometimes painful) realization: I will be speaking with the doc far less often than I would like. I’m one of those people who is hungry to learn, to do a great job, and to make true progress with patients. Most of the time I handle things with total confidence (say, 80% of the time). Less frequently (say 15% of the time) I wish I could speak with my doc to make sure I’m not missing something, but don’t have that luxury, and need to do my best without it. And about 5% of the time I either have no confidence in my direction, or feel the stakes are high enough that I need him involved. My doc is a hard working guy with a great sense of humor, who knows how much I want to learn and he tries (when there is time) to teach me what I need to learn. But there are times when it just isn’t possible. On one busy day, to one of my questions, he answered flatly, “Dude. Just figure it out.” So I did.

If it’s about something serious, I ask for him even if he is busy, in a hurry, in a mood, or giving me his patented looooong sighs. Even if his schedule is busy, when it really matters, I get his help, no matter how busy he is. This means there are frequently times when I come to the decision on my own that as much as I would like his thoughts on a case, I will need to do without them because it just doesn’t rise to that level. So I handle these and either 1) come home and read up on the topic at night, or 2) find him when he isn’t busy, tell him what happened, and see how I did. He has been very trusting in my ability and complimentary about my work. But the honeymoon is rapidly ending, and there are days when all he has time for is to tell me where I fall short. In his words, “You’re doing a fabulous job.” [fabulous is his favorite positive adjective.] “But you’re at the point where my job is to tell you whenever you f*ck up. Don’t let it get to you.” He said this with his arm on my shoulder.

“I know, John,” I told him. And I can take the feedback, believe me. It’s just hard being at that point in my work where I need to learn how to do some things as I’m doing them. No more shadowing. No more observation or instruction.” It feels a little like playing in a pro football game after only one season of pea-wee football practice. You go through this just about every time you prescribe a drug that you’ve never prescribed before, but that is how you learn. I have strategies to protect myself and my patients from my ignorance: 1) start only one new medication at a time, 2) start with a dose that is on the low end (particularly with the insulins), 4) have the patient come back to follow up soon, and 4) remember the edict: primum non nocere.

To my frustration of needing to learn while doing, my boss replied, “Yes. And it’s going to be that way for the rest of your career. Shit, I feel that way sometimes still. But that’s how you’re going to learn, and I wouldn’t have hired you if I didn’t think you could handle it.”

Okay, so I guess all I can do is trust in the process.

The Highs

  • Finding an abdominal abscess the size of a grapefruit in a patient who “just didn’t feel right,” after she had been to the ER and released.
  • My favorite bit of patient feedback: “You’re the first person who’s ever explained this to me before.”
  • The first time my boss left the clinic early for the day, leaving me in charge [he was available by phone if I had problems]. It was a vote of confidence.
  • Doing my first unsupervised surgical procedure (removal of a large, suspicious skin lesion. I made an elliptical incision, and closed with 5 interrupted sutures and one horizontal mattress stitch).
  • Writing my first controlled medication prescriptions, like morphine, percocet, valium, ambien, methadone, etc. Pain management is a big part of workman’s comp cases.
  • Being courted by drug reps (it actually gets old very quickly).
  • My first paycheck. I was fortunate to find a job that pays very well, even right out of school.
  • Getting a prescription pad with my name on it.
  • My Christmas bonus. That was a very nice surprise.

The Lows

  • Dealing with drug-seeking patients. They tend to walk in right before we close and say they are new in town from out of state and need their Xanax or Norco filled. I’m getting good at spotting them!
  • Busy days when patients being irritated because they have had to wait for me, and I can’t seem to keep up no matter how fast I go.
  • Prescription errors. Once I mistakenly hit the wrong button on the computer and transmitted an electronic prescription for a patient with high blood pressure that had the wrong dosage. The patient came in several days later to be seen for dizziness on standing. I was not pleased, and it started me double and triple checking my electronic prescriptions. My boss brought it to my attention and, and said simply, “Be more careful.” ( If this scares you, you should know that statistically, death rates in university hospitals rise every July when the new interns (doctors) arrive. No one wants to hurt anyone - that’s the opposite of why we are here. But as one preceptor in school told me, “Everyone learns something at someone else’s expense.”)
  • Those inevitable days when frustration sets in and I get discouraged about all I still don’t know. There is so much to know.

Summary

All in all, I’ve had an amazing experience joining the field. I feel like I have found a professional home. I wanted work that makes a real difference in people’s lives. I wanted work that was challenging, but not tedious. I wanted to be compensated well for what I do, and I wanted a field that was broad enough that I would grow into it and not get bored.

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  • Chris G. December 18, 2012, 11:28 pm

    Awesome post, just what I had been looking to read. I always enjoy the insight and appreciate your time and effort sharing your experiences. Look forward to jumping in to it myself. Have a happy holidays.

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    • Paul December 19, 2012, 6:44 pm

      Thanks, Chris! It’s a pleasure to share.

      Reply
  • Samy December 20, 2012, 2:16 pm

    Nice! Thank you for the insightful post.
    It is very inspiring to know the details, including pros/cons of being a PA in practice. I look forward to start my training and join the PA profession.
    Happy holidays!

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  • saul December 20, 2012, 2:33 pm

    Hello,
    Once again, thanks for sharing your experience. It gives me something to look forward to. I can’t wait for the upcoming parts. Thanks for taking the time to share this info.

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  • Sarah December 20, 2012, 7:57 pm

    Pure gold!! You never cease to amaze, Paul. I loved every part of this article, it was exactly what I was looking forward to reading! you rock sir! :)

    Also, great job on the app, it’s fantastic!

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  • Justin B December 26, 2012, 1:06 pm

    Love your posts. I am a freshmen in college and wanting to do PA. I will be following your posts closely as what I am reading so far is exactly what I am hoping to do. Thanks, and keep going!

    Justin Bouma

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    • Paul December 26, 2012, 5:01 pm

      Thanks, Justin! We take requests too, you know. Have a specific question? Let it fly…

      Reply
  • Erica C December 27, 2012, 7:35 pm

    Paul,
    This post was being insightful. For as long as I have been wanting to get into the field, 6 years and the amount if research that I’ve been.doing wouldn’t add up to the amount of information I’ve just attained. I’ve been asking myself why more health care professionals wouldn’t be willing to do this for students coming into the field after them.
    Is this a blog that is usually updated or do people usually contact you with questions?
    Thanks for the tips, hope to see more.

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    • Paul December 27, 2012, 9:49 pm

      Thank you, Erica! It’s a regularly updated blog, for sure. We’ve updated a little less lately as we’ve recently put out an iPhone app and an ebook, and are working on plans for a site redesign.

      But with the new year there will be more good info to add to the growing collection. Just enter your email at the top right and you’ll be contacted each time a new article is posted (about 1x/week or two).

      P

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  • Brian Wallace January 1, 2013, 9:32 am

    It’s amazing how much people look to you for answers as soon as that PA-S becomes a PA-C. You don’t feel any different, but suddenly everyone thinks you know what your doing. Great Job!!

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  • Eric January 4, 2013, 9:09 pm

    Hi Paul,

    AWESOME post. This has been my favorite article thus far! I can’t wait for part 2. Thank you so much for taking the time to educate others on the PA profession.

    Do you mind if I ask a question? In terms of your “lows,” have you had any experiences with patients or doctors being disrespectful? I hear all too often from a few disgruntled PAs that they are snubbed by MDs or by patients who would “rather see the physician,” or something along those lines.

    -Future PA, Class of 2015

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    • Paul January 5, 2013, 4:06 pm

      Thanks, Eric. That’s a great question. I have heard PAs say these things too. Thankfully, I haven’t really experienced it much. Sure now and then, a patient will say “I thought was was going to see Dr. ___.”

        My standard replies:

      If they aren’t on the doc’s schedule: “Well, if you don’t mind waiting until Dr. ___ is free, no problem. . Or I can help you now - your choice.”
      “You were actually scheduled with me [if this is the case], but if there’s another provider you would rather see, let’s book you with an appointment with them.”

      These have worked well for me. If a patient doesn’t want to work with me, I never try to dissuade them, and I remind myself that it’s about them, not me (so I don’t take it personally).

      I find that patients are usually happy to work with me once I listen to them and share enough knowledge/confidence that they can see I’m not just some yahoo.

      Just about as often, patients request me over some other PA or doc, so it evens out. Overall, I don’t think it’s a huge problem as long as 1) you know what you’re doing, 2) don’t represent yourself as something you’re not, 3) admit when you don’t have the answer, and 4) listen - really listen - to your patients.

      There are doctors who have low opinions of PAs, and I find that they are usually the ones who haven’t worked with one. Surgeons are somewhat more famous for this, but they’re also somewhat more famous for being disrespectful to just about everyone, so you have to consider the source. At the same time, I worked with a PA in surgery who was so damned good, she told the residents what to do, and they listed because they knew she was good.

      I guess it just depends…

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  • MaryC. B. January 7, 2013, 1:39 pm

    Hi, this is a great informational site. I am in the process of completing all my prereqs for a P.A. program. I should be ready this fall 2013 to fill out the applications. I have 13 years experience in the EMS and currently working for a Trauma Center/Emergency department for over 13 years now. I have my bachelor’s in public health. What else do you think I need to put myself in a competitive mode? I found an Asian Health Service Clinic in Oakland, that I am thinking of applying for a volunteer position just to have some clinic experience. What do you think?

    Thank you again, MaryC.B.

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    • Paul January 7, 2013, 7:12 pm

      Mary - you sound like you’re in great shape. Begin thinking about your essay now. Just throw ideas around in your head about what you want to tell them about yourself, and some creative ways to do so. Also, make sure to maintain the relationships you have with your current professors so you can ask for letters of recommendation.

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      • MaryC. B. January 7, 2013, 7:42 pm

        Thank you so much for the advice. Now, what to say in my essay???? I will be definitely looking for advice on these one. Thank you again.

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  • Jacky Ip January 12, 2013, 1:34 pm

    The article is so honest and useful. I shadowed a newly graduated PA who works at a bustling clinic as well and his day seemed very similar to yours. Once again, just wanted to show my appreciation for how down to earth and honest you are in all of your post.

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  • Joseph January 24, 2013, 2:53 am

    Hi Paul,
    Thanks for sharing your experience. It really was one of the most insightful posts I’ve read regarding daily practice of a PA. I felt like I was there!

    But regarding this line:
    “Doing my first unsupervised surgical procedure ”
    I was surprised since I was under the impression that surgical procedures required physician presence with PA acting as first assist. Maybe you can educate me.

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  • Aaron D. February 7, 2013, 1:00 pm

    Hello,
    This is my first visit to the site and I have to say I’m loving all the great info that is provided. I work as an EMT right now for a busy 911 service in Indiana. I will be starting my paramedic training this fall. I’m only 23 right now but my goals are set very high. I will continue my education until I get my PA degree done. I have to say your site/blog is really going to help me in the years to come. Thank you for taking time to create a site this helpful for people like me. Good luck with everything and take care.

    Reply
    • Paul February 7, 2013, 10:31 pm

      Thanks, Aaron. EMT/paramedic is great pre-PA experience. Let us know how things go, okay?

      Reply
  • ChristopherT. February 21, 2013, 11:48 am

    Well, my dad is a retired Air Force PA (28 years) and then worked for the VA for another 15, so I am very much interested in now becoming a PA. I am a school teacher and a LMFT and a Pastor/Counselor. I am over 40 but am looking forward to becoming a part of this beloved profession. I have seen my dad work, and, have shadowed him and other coworkers of his. Your accounts of the highs and lows are so similar to his. I’m excited about hopefully being able to make this major career transition. I know that it is difficult to tell, and, that this application process is so competitive, however, do you think that a person that does not have the extensive healthcare experience has a realistic chance to gain admittance into one of the PA programs? I am looking to attend one in Texas. I want you to know that I am very impressed and appreciative of this informative website and will be using it as a guide to help me move further towards my goal of becoming a PA.

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    • Paul February 22, 2013, 10:43 pm

      As a career changer, you need some good health care experience to show that this isn’t a passing fancy. But at your (our) age, a year or two to wait and develop that goes pretty quickly.

      If you have excellent grades, a great essay, and shadowing time, you might be able to do it without much HCE, but to maximize your chances, you really need it.

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  • Maribella March 3, 2013, 11:32 am

    Hi Paul!
    First of all thank you for sharing…always appreciate people like you. I have been a medical assistant for 13 years for an OB/GYN but out for 3 years due to having two children back to back. I am very interested in becoming a PA but what more do I need to take this course? I’m ifi into believing that it’s 2 years. Can you give me some info on this? Thanks!

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    • Paul March 10, 2013, 10:03 am

      Maribella - PA programs range from between 18 months (unusual) to 3 years. Typical is 2 to 2-1/2. We have a rather lengthy post on the process in our forum on how to become a PA. Check it out by clicking here.

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  • Destiny March 13, 2013, 8:14 pm

    So insightful for the student pursuing PA to see the real high AND lows. Keep the, coming please.

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    • Paul March 14, 2013, 5:09 pm

      Thanks, Destiny. I’m actually planning an article on JUST the lows - again, to be fair.

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  • Ann March 22, 2013, 8:50 pm

    Hi Paul!
    Thank you for this site! It was a prime resource in my PA research and I found it to be very helpful…I received interviews for all the schools I applied to and was accepted to my first choice-huzzah! I find that a lot of PA-related information out there is geared toward the application process, so I really appreciate the inside scoop about what it’s like once you’re actually practicing. Can’t wait for part 2!

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    • Paul March 24, 2013, 8:13 pm

      Thank you Ann! Congratulations on your success. You’re joining a great field!

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  • Erika March 28, 2013, 7:20 am

    Thank you for being so specific about your day-to-day responsibilities as a PA. I’m a pre-med student and have been preparing for medical school, but I think that a PA career will actually be a better fit for me (and my family). Thank you again for all the great information you post!

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  • Megan April 10, 2013, 3:34 pm

    I have a question regarding a paper I need to write for a Writing in the Sciences course. I am supposed to find three genres of writing done by the profession I am seeking to pursue. I am having trouble finding anything formal written by physician assistants. Is there much more that you write than prescriptions, chart notes and referrels? thank you

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  • zainab April 21, 2013, 11:22 pm

    Hii Paul,
    This article was SO helpful!!! Especially when you talked about the pros and cons. Ohh and also explaining how your typical day at work is and your relationship with the doctor. Everything was just AMAZING! I’m a junior in high school and I’m considering being a PA in the future and this was very helpful. I can’t wait for part 2!! Do you have any advice for what I can do now in high school up until I graduate,like volunteering or shadowing a PA? Thank you :)

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    • Paul April 23, 2013, 11:50 pm

      Well, it’s early for you, but your enthusiasm is commendable. GET GREAT GRADES, now and in college. Take a summer job or internship that will put you around patients. Volunteer. At your stage, it’s about exposing yourself to all that medicine has to offer. In the long run, this will help you know right where you want to go in the field. SUCCESS.
      Paul

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  • Shadé May 28, 2013, 12:43 am

    Wow, I am excited and inspired!! Hopefully planning to apply very soon to UCD. I just finished all my prerequisites and currently I’m working on my 1000s plus hours as a Substitute Health Assistant for Twin River School District.
    Every time I read one of yours posts, they reassure me, this is exactly what I want to do!!! : ) Thank you for taking the time to share with us, a realistic view of this wonderful career opportunity.

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    • Paul May 31, 2013, 5:24 pm

      Thanks, Shadé - go get it!

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  • Cori June 19, 2013, 1:58 pm

    Thank you for sharing your experiences, Paul. I’m preparing to start PA school in 3 months, and while I’ve learned great things in my shadowing, it’s nice to hear from someone who’s a newcomer to the field.

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    • Paul June 20, 2013, 11:21 pm

      I wish you luck with your program. Find a small group of students to review with before exams, study hard, and be ready to drink from the fire hose!

      SUCCESS.

      Paul

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  • Sumeet Chagger June 22, 2013, 5:44 pm

    Hello there,
    Very interesting read. I too am in the Sacramento region, and I wanted to see if you had any tips on contacting PAs to perhaps shadow or interview them. This could help me really know if this is the kind of lifestyle I envision in my career.

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    • Paul June 24, 2013, 5:33 pm

      Yes, I do! Just scroll down the main page until you get to the post categories on the right side. Click the category “Shadowing.” It will take you to 5 different articles on the topic.

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  • Donna June 26, 2013, 12:50 pm

    Your story has inspired me so much that I hope to enroll in PA school. You describe it as I envision it to be. Thank You! Please continue to update us on your progress.

    Sincerely,

    Donna

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    • Paul June 27, 2013, 5:39 pm

      Thanks, Donna!

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  • Venecia July 24, 2013, 7:42 am

    Thanks, great article and very helpful. I have been doing my research on which is the best route especially since there aren’t many programs available in my area of Memphis, TN. I am current taking my general studies at a community college and doing EMT to get patient care experience but I was hoping you could suggest another bachelor’s degree program that is accepted other than biology or chemistry?

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    • Geoff March 18, 2014, 9:08 pm

      First and foremost, try to find and think about something you’re interested in. You should major in something you’re interested in that might somehow relate to Physician Assistant. Now with that being said, here are some of the ones that I think is great and could relate to Physician Assistant. Athletic Trainer, Sport Sciences, Health Science, Sociology, Psychology, etc. I hope this helps.

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  • Emily January 21, 2014, 2:32 pm

    Great article, Paul! I’m an aspiring PA. I know this question varies from person to person, but how long will it take you to pay off your student loans from school and get completely out of debt? That’s one specific factor I haven’t really been able to find when considering going for a masters degree. Thanks for any information you might have!

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    • Paul January 25, 2014, 3:02 pm

      Hi, Emily - yes, it depends. The biggest factor is how much you owe. I went to a state school and did not borrow for living expenses - only tuition and books - and got out for about $27K - a relative pittance. I have worked with other PAs who still owed $100K+ and were several years out of school!

      Obviously, the other factors are your salary and your expenses. Most students pay off their loans in about 10 years, but that’s a mode, not a median.
      If you contact a few PA schools and ask to speak with their financial aid departments, they will usually be glad to give you an estimate based on your situation.

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  • Pablo April 7, 2014, 6:29 pm

    Riverside Community College (Moreno Valley Campus) offers an associate degree in Physician Assistant. What is your opinion on that?

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    • Paul April 19, 2014, 1:34 pm

      I am not familiar with their program, so I wish I could comment, but really can’t.

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  • lenajeanne April 29, 2014, 7:02 pm

    Hey Paul,

    I really like your website! Thanks so much for starting this. It’s been a difficult decision for me. My PhD will be done this year in oncology and I want to work in translational science, but as already 34 years old. Mother of 2 kids with autism I’m not so sure med school is the place for me. I’ve bee courting PA school and I think I made the right decision.

    Thanks so much for your great website!

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    • Paul May 1, 2014, 9:03 pm

      I can understand how med school would take you away from those very important things…

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  • Pablo May 20, 2014, 10:56 am

    I am almost completed an associate in elementary teacher education and I want to follow through with teaching at an elementary school. However, I want to apply to P.A. program after completing my prerequisites and health care experience as an Emt. Do you think I have a good chance of getting into a P.A. program with a background in teaching rather than just getting a B.S. in health science.

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  • Darnell Ferguson July 3, 2014, 9:31 pm

    Hello, i’m 26 years of age and im in my 2 year of school i’m going to school for my BS in health science i will like to will my health science degree will help me get into a PA program?

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    • Paul July 6, 2014, 1:08 pm

      I think that major is fine. The biggest factor is that you do well in your program.

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  • Jane R. July 26, 2014, 12:30 pm

    Paul, thanks so much for this article! I am a recent graduate of a Physical Therapist Assistant (PTA) program and have been working for 5 months. While it’s a different area of medicine, the PT/PTA relationship is very similar to the MD/PA relationship. I thought I would be learning so much more from other therapists all day (as it was in clinicals) and I have come to the realization that it is not possible-we’re all so incredibly busy. I’m glad to know someone else has been through something similar and that “figuring it out as you go” is pretty standard. I ask questions when I absolutely have no idea what I should be doing with a patient, but otherwise have to rely on the knowledge I have accumulated thus far and look up things when needed. I’m happy to have come across your site and hope all is still going well for you!

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  • Sara August 8, 2014, 8:48 pm

    I just discovered your site, and it is the ANSWER TO ALL OF MY PRAYERS. I’m a sophomore in college, my whole life up until a few months ago I knew the medical field was for me - but I recently started questioning if I really did want to be a part of this work or if it was just years of parent influence… After reading thru your site I know for a fact THIS is what I want to do with my life, this truly is my calling. You have no idea how appreciative I am!
    I go to a large state university where I’m convinced the advisors get paid to keep students longer than 4 years. Me and my advisor don’t have any sort of relationship, and I’m the first person to go to a University in my family (1st generation immigrants from Ethiopia) so I have one MAJOR question for you right now:
    1. WHAT SHOULD I MAJOR IN??
    -I’m sure biology is a good major for PA school, but what if my senior year of college rolls around and I decide being a PA isn’t for me anymore - what else can I do with a biology major other then teach?

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    • Paul August 10, 2014, 10:24 am

      Thank you for the compliment! Glad you are finding it helpful.

      Your major choice should be about 1) what you enjoy, and therefore 2) what you will do well in. If you are pretty sure PA is the path for you — and I’m glad you keeping open the possibility that it MIGHT not be — pick something that relates to medicine, but could be used elsewhere as well. Biology and chemistry can go in plenty of directions. But there are other options that, as long as you take the needed prerequisites for PA school — could work fine. This could include psychology, health, nutrition, etc. See our article and podcast on majors for details.

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  • Diana August 22, 2014, 7:18 am

    Hi Paul,

    Great article. Question - do you ever feel that the 2 yeas of PA training isn’t enough to adequately prepare you for seeing patients on your own? Do you think you would feel more confident having gone through medical school, or do you feel that no matter what, learning as you go is part of working in the medicine field? Thanks for reading!

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    • Paul August 29, 2014, 5:32 pm

      I have learned so much and I am confident that I am a skilled PA, particularly for one who is only two years out of school. But to be honest, there is so much to learn in medicine that 5 lifetimes devoted to it would simply not be enough. So, yes, there are days when I am completely humbled by my work. But I truly believe that if you have good people skills and work hard in PA school, you will be ready when the time comes.

      As my dad, a physician used to say about medical training (PA and MD) “They will teach you everything that you need to know,” and I often take solace in those words. Much of being a PA (as is true with being a physician) is about being familiar with your ability and limits. The boundaries for your abilities and limits move as you progress in the field, so as you learn and do more, you tend to upgrade to wishing you knew still more.

      I should also say that I have heard many times that new PA grads are more ready to work with patients than new MD grads. This is because MD students delve into levels of detail in the medicine that slows their learning curve with the basics of patients and medicine. But over time, they catch up. MD internship and residency is a punishing, 24/7 immersion in the practical (in-person) side of medicine, and it dwarfs the post-PA school learning that PAs do. By the end of residency, most MDs have accumulated an impressive library of experiences. They have done many, many things, and some things within their specialty thousands of times. This makes them very skilled, if sometimes very burnt out by the time their residency is over. So overall, I would say the speeds of the PA and MD learning curves are different for academics and for patients. But in the end, they each end up very capable at what they do.

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  • Kelly October 1, 2014, 3:04 pm

    Hi Paul,
    At first I really wanted to be a nurse because I have always been a science person and I am really interested in working in the medical field. Recently, I have been researching physician assistants and I am now leaning towards it because I want more responsibility and a more active job in the medical field. I want to be more of a help and make more of a difference to patients. I am just wondering if PA school is much longer than nursing school and what I have to do to get into PA school.

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    • Paul October 7, 2014, 11:09 pm

      PA school is about the same, or nowadays a little longer. The average PA program is 28 months, with 30 and 36 not being uncommon. My program was 24. Stanford is 18. But the curriculum is quite different from nursing school. They will expect that you have more medical experience when you start than a new nursing student, so that they can move quickly and get beyond the basics.

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  • Logan December 5, 2014, 10:42 am

    Hi!

    I am trying to apply to UC Davis and Western U Health Sciences, I have an undergrad in medical sciences . How did you get your medical experience hours? What would you recommend, I have around 100 of volunteer but getting another 900 before next September when I submit my application might be tricky. Please help !!

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    • Paul December 21, 2014, 8:18 pm

      To accrue that many hours in so short a time you will probably need a job. Work as a medical assistant (not certified, just working as one) would do it. Also an EMT cert with some work on a BLS ambulance would also take care of it.

      1000 hours really can’t be rushed. Aim instead for quality hours, not “fast” hours — I meet more people who try to rush their HCE who didn’t get in, and it’s because by rushing, they accumulated a bunch of crap and end up spending longer than if they had gone slow with good HCE in the first place.

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  • Rana March 17, 2015, 11:41 am

    Wonderfully written. Will you be doing any interviews with Surgical PA’S? It would be super helpful, to learn a bit more about what a typical Surgical P.A. day is like.

    Or have you already done this and i totally missed it? sorry if i did.

    Thanks,
    Rana

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    • Paul April 5, 2015, 3:31 pm

      I hope to have one up this summer. I had a great one lined up with a pediatric surgical PA, but she got too busy and things fell through.

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  • Gianna May 22, 2015, 1:17 pm

    This site has been extremely helpful, I am a freshman in college majoring in athletic training. I was originally on a PT track but recently I have been looking into PA school. I’d love to ask questions and get to know more about the field as I am trying to decided on what I want to pursue. Thanks so much!

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    • Paul June 5, 2015, 10:11 pm

      Thanks, Gianna! Did you have a specific question?

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  • Donna Brown June 6, 2015, 2:00 pm

    Excellent post! I start PA school in the summer of 2016. Your article helped me confirm I am making the right decision for me. I too wanted a career where I could make a difference in peoples lives. Thank you for taking the time to write this. I will keep your experiences and words in mind as I begin this new journey.
    Btw…thanks for taking the time to explain to patients their treatment! That is one the best qualities my patients loved about me when working as a nurse. :)

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